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SCYTHED HIERODULE VS. BARBED HIERODULE
« Thread Started on Jun 4, 2005, 5:20pm »

To those of you with access to a copy of `Imperial Armour Update', you may be wondering which of the two Hierodules (the Scythed or the Barbed) is better. The answer depends on what you intend to use it for.

The Scythed Hierodule is the assault version of the Hierodule species. According to Imperial Armour (IA) fluff, this version of the Hierodule has two pairs of Scything Talons along with a flame template based, assault 1 Acid Spray. Its an assault monster with five strength 10 attacks on the charge. This beasty is meant to attack fortifications, titans and super heavy tanks, plain and simple. One great weakness of this design is the lack of any ranged weaponry. The Imperials learned quickly enough to blast the Scythed Hierodules at long range. This led to the rapid appearance of the....

....Barbed Hierodule. To quote from the IA Update,

The Barbed Hierodule (as the troops on Moran soon came to know it) had replaced two of its four huge scythe-like claws with massive bio-cannons. The symbiote acid creature was gone and the creature's frontal chitinous armour plates had grown and thickened for extra protection. Given the creature's new battlefield role, it all made chillingly logical sense to the soldiers on the ground. Was the alien hive mind learning and adapting faster than anybody thought possible?

The twin-linked Bio-Cannon are nasty at strength 10 and with a 48.0" range. It also uses the blast template.
This dramatically changes the old `sit back and blast 'em' school of thought. The only saving grace for an opponent of the Barbed Hierodule is its' average Ballistic skill.

Which of the two is better? I think the edge goes to the Barbed version. The Barbed Hierodule does cost an extra 100 points or so.

An arguement CAN be made, that for the point value of more then 500 points, a Barbed Hierodule is not THAT much superior to a decked out Carnifex. THAT is for another post, however.

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Re: SCYTHED HIERODULE VS. BARBED HIERODULE
« Reply #1 on Jun 14, 2005, 4:25pm »

i like the scythed better, but it is slower. if you can get it into cc it must be a beast, it could easily take out most squads in cc . i can see it wold get shot up though.

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Re: SCYTHED HIERODULE VS. BARBED HIERODULE
« Reply #2 on Jun 14, 2005, 4:31pm »

I agree with IVEATCH on this one, although I prefer the Scythed Hierodule model. However, I am nonetheless moving this to the Rules Development forum

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Re: SCYTHED HIERODULE VS. BARBED HIERODULE
« Reply #3 on Jun 14, 2005, 4:46pm »

mind you a carnifex has 10 strength and is cheaper so im not sure.

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Re: SCYTHED HIERODULE VS. BARBED HIERODULE
« Reply #4 on Jul 10, 2006, 11:59am »

do you know the rules for the malanthorpe

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Re: SCYTHED HIERODULE VS. BARBED HIERODULE
« Reply #5 on Aug 28, 2006, 6:11pm »

Barbed is definetly better. You can stay out of assault range. Which is important because now gargantuan creatures can be shot at while being assauled by another unit. This means your 400+ pt hierdoule can be taken out of the game by being assaulted by a squad of guard. Your not going to kill them all and your going to get shot up by lascannons. Also it just warms the heart when a space marine players jaw drops because he just lost a 10 man tactical squad to ome shot with no armor saves.

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Re: SCYTHED HIERODULE VS. BARBED HIERODULE
« Reply #6 on Mar 21, 2007, 12:29am »

I've played with or against both types. You are better off with 2 tricked out CC carnifex over the Scythed Hierodule (if you have the slots open, of course.) The Barbed Heirodule is the superior, in my opinion, due to having the longest ranged Tyranid attacks, that quite simply is a Marine killer. And can actually cause a penetrating hit (woot woot!). Now, both Heirodules are absolute beasts to kill off with those mass points - so they do tend to draw alot of fire.

That said, they are unlikely to make their points back in any game. But they look real good, and the look on your opponents face is most often priceless as well.....

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Re: SCYTHED HIERODULE VS. BARBED HIERODULE
« Reply #7 on Mar 27, 2007, 11:08pm »

My brother has a scythed hierodule and the value is in my experience mostly psychological. It rarely makes a large hole in the enemy line but it makes a very nice large 'shoot me' sign. I don't know but I would guess that a barbed heirodule is a longer lasting shoot me sign as it need not get into close range fire (like plasma guns and multi meltas) to kill things. That said, the trygon is in my mind a far better choice. His [my brother's] trygon is often what wins his games as it can deep strike in the enemy line without worrying about scattering onto enemy units and dying. It can shred hq units with ease.

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Re: SCYTHED HIERODULE VS. BARBED HIERODULE
« Reply #8 on Mar 29, 2007, 1:39am »

Oooo, if we're going to go off topic and discuss ALL the Tyranid gargantuan creatures, we should open up a seperate comparative thread...

Never been impressed with the Trygon, you get that one turn of iffy mayhem, and then you get slaughtered. It is a fairly nice critter at half the PV of the barbed heirodule, and unlike the scythed is pretty much guaranteed to get into HtH. It just doesn't stay on the board very long.

It is, however, a really pretty model. The best FW Tyranid to date, in my opinion. Doesn't lend itself to conversions, though.

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